Just playing around with the lite machete : To be clear, I had to regrind the other knife to even get it to be in the same class, as boxed, well it wasn't really productive, it just had a single grind of 17 degrees per side. Even with the extensive regrind, the Pal is still a lot heavier (blade profile wise) and the ESEE cuts way better even when I significantly damage it at one point by smashing the tip into some rocks. I sharpened that out, maybe 30 seconds that evening on cheap ~100 grit stone, the steel is great for a machete, very tough, easy to grind, minimal damage even on heavy contacts.