Ifak most over looked items

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  1. John

    John I know who I am! Staff Member

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    The best device/gear we've ever been given for any situation lies between our ears. What we make of it is up to us.
     
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    Serious question, believe it or not, but your thoughts on tampons vs pads as a first aid item?
     
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    Personally I think they work great. The thing is some first aid items aren’t available in every store or carried by everyone. If you are in a group maybe someone has some of these packed anyway. They are cheap and easy to restock. Might seem odd but they have benefits.
     
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    Tampons are great, we will all agree on that, and if I'm running for my life with no kit they'd be something I'd acquire for emergency use........

    But if I'm building an IFAK, which is the proposal on this thread, then I'll be packing at least one Israeli Bandage and a Celox Applicator instead.
     
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    I have to check out the Celox where do you buy yours?
     
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    I'm in the UK buddy, I'm spoiled for choice over here but it all depends how much you are buying. I buy in large amounts so I'm able to get it from suppliers.

    If you buy sensibly, with long expiry dates, it should serve you well.


     
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    you can order it from Amazon, the great thing about celox vs quick clot, celox works on people who take blood thinners. That's why I switched.
     
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    Serious Answer: I am not sure that the size of a pad justify's the amount of absorption benefit, if that makes sense.. Being that tampons can absorb a good amount and be stored compactly i thing for absorption purposes it would be better.
    That said i have seen pads used in surgery for wound coverage and padding.. SO unlimited storage heck yah both! small kit i would pass on the pads..
     
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    How about the effectiveness of maxi pads vs similar sized gauze pads? Just curious as I've never used feminine hygiene products for first aid.
     
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    It's not the absorption value that is important, it's the haemostatic (clotting) capability that you need to focus on.

    Tampons/towels/maxi-pads etc do not have the relevant chemical agent within, to which end you may as well just carry a roll of cotton wool. All these things will do is become saturated and blow away, especially with a heavy flow of blood!

    Trust me, anyone that's seen a major arterial Bleed in front of them (I have several times) will point you towards a haemostatic dressing, gauze or granule based product!

    Whilst I accept people's enthusiasm to 'make do' with various improvised items, in this day and age and with the preparation/kit ANYONE can access, it's not only highly unnecessary but it borders on the negligent!
     
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    Understand your point but what if you don’t have those items or don’t have enough. I live 45 miles from the nearest town, they don’t stock those items at the gas station? I agree that the ideal should have those items. What if we make another thread for makeshift/macgiver first aid items?
     
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    If you dont have the good stuff you make do. But its just that. Pressure is all you can hope for out of those items. Be prepared or be prepared for failure. I get both your points.
     
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    Good good stuff guys! Thank you.
     
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    Agree entirely but this is a Individual First Aid ‘Kit’ thread. Implying we can plan ahead and buy specific items. Everything in here can be bought easily over the Internet for reasonable money and shipped to your door.

    Absolutely, if you want to have a ‘makeshift first aid items’ thread, open one up. But anyone with a serious eye on preparing for a catastrophic bleed, GSW injury or similar should buy the proper kit and get the proper training if possible!

    Hey, I’m as dumb as a piss-stone and if I can teach this stuff there is hope for everyone!
     
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    Absolutely please don’t mistake my words. I agree with you and you have been adding great value to the knowledge base. We got off topic but the off topic stuff is also good to know. I’ll create a new thread shortly....
     
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    It’s all good brother! These are very healthy discussions to have!

    ‘Buy the right thing once and it’ll more than likely safe your life once’, words I got from my first advanced first aid input!

    Same guy said ‘Yeah, we all wear a belt but I also carry a tourniquet!’

     
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    Excellent advice. I did start the other thread!
     
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    @jeeter IDK But ill jump that discussion to the new thread :)

    @Simon Armstrong I total agree with having the best possible gear available! Even some of the harder to find items i know i have been able to locate at a local Army surplus store OR i have gone as far as even asking folks at the doctors office to snag me a could items :) I have been unfortunate but also fortunate to deal with some major traumas back in the day and i agree that having the right stuff paid off. But as the say they don't let me play ping pong no more :( I rely on my wife who does teach this stuff now a days for the latest info :) And they let me sit through the occasional Class if they have extra room just to brush up :)

    @BlueDogScout I will pop over there :)
     
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