10 Items Survival List (Alone TV show concept Based)

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  1. RocketmanDane

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    Didn’t see one, So a consolidated thread for the 10 item concept :)

    For those who have not seen the “Alone” TV show. The idea is you are allowed to choose 10 items in addition to a provided gear list. You then must survive Alone in isolation for as long as possible.

    What 10 items would you choose?
    Why would you choose these items?
    Specifics such at “type of saw” is even better.


    The Time of year is usually fall and fast approaching winter.
    Assume opportunities to hunt small game.
    Assume opportunities to possibly hunt “larger game”
    Assume opportunities to fish and depending on location to harvest sea life.


    The list to choose from:
    Shelter

    • 12x12 ground cloth/tarp (grommets approved)
    • 8-mm climbing rope - 10M
    • 550 Paracord - 80m
    • 3-mm cotton cord - 40m (non waxed cord)
    Bedding
    • 1 multi-seasonal sleeping bag
    • 1 bivi bag (Gore-Tex sleeping bag cover)
    • 1 sleeping pad
    • 1 hammock
    Cooking
    • 1 large pot (no more than 2 quarts; includes lid)
    • 1 steel frying pan (no more than 2 quarts)
    • 1 flint or ferro rod set with standard-sized striker
    • 1 enamel bowl for eating
    • 1 spoon
    • 1 canteen or water bottle
    Hygiene
    • 1 bar soap
    • 1 8-oz tube of toothpaste
    • 1 face flannel
    • 1 40-mm roll dental floss
    • 1 small bottle bio shower soap
    • 1 shaving razor (and 1 blade)
    • 1 towel (30” x 60”)
    • 1 comb
    Hunting
    • 1 300-yd roll of a single-filament fishing line up to max of 20 lbs weight test + 25 assorted barbless hooks, no bigger than size 7/0, no lures.
    • 1 Primitive Bow Recurve or longbow + 9x Arrows + simple quiver OR arrow attachment.
    • 1 small-gauge gill net
    • 1 slingshot/catapult + 30 steel ball bearings + 1 replacement band
    • 1 net foraging bag
    • 1 roll 3.5 lbs of 20 or 21-gauge trapping (snare) wire
    • 3 lbs of one solid block of salt
    Food (2 items max)
    • 2 lbs of beef jerky (protein)
    • 2 lbs of dried pulses/legumes/lentils mix (starch and carbs)
    • 2 lbs of biltong (protein)
    • 2 lbs of hard tack military biscuits (carbs/sugars)
    • 2 lbs of chocolate (simple/complex sugars)
    • 2 lbs of pemmican (traditional trail food made from fat and proteins)
    • 2 lbs of GORP (raisins, chocolate, peanuts)
    • 1 lb of flour (starch/carbs)
    • 1/3 lbs rice / 1/3 lb sugar / 1/3 lb of salt
    Tools
    • 1 pocket knife
    • 1 hunting knife (blade edge length no larger than 10”)
    • 1 Leatherman multi-tool or similar
    • 1 sharpening stone
    • 1 roll of duct tape or 1 roll of electrical tape
    • 1 small shovel
    • 1 small sewing kit
    • 1 carabiner
    • 1 LED flashlight
    • 1 pair of ice spikes (studded walking aids for icy conditions
    • 1 scotch-eyed auger
    • 1 adze
    • 1 2-handed draw knife (blade no longer than 5 inches)
    • 1 hatchet
    • 1 saw
    • 1 ax
    Provided Items/ Does not count against 10 items.
    CLOTHING/APPAREL/PERSONAL EFFECTS
    *These items do not count towards the 10 special items, but may not exceed the approved quota for each.
    • 1 pair of high-leg hunting boots
    • 1 pair waterproof Arctic winter boots
    • 1 T-shirt (short sleeved)
    • 1 fleece/wool shirt
    • 2 wool sweaters
    • 6 pairs wool socks
    • 2 hats (brimmed, wool, fur, Arctic or baseball)
    • 2 buffs or neck gaiter (no balaclavas)
    • 1 shemagh OR scarf
    • 4 pairs of gloves (1 insulated, 1 leather work-style glove, 1 over mitt, 1 thin glove liner)
    • 2 pairs of underwear/briefs
    • 1 insulated parka-style jacket
    • 2 pair of outdoor pants/bibs (can unzip into shorts)
    • 1 pair of fully insulated or waterproof winter pants/bibs
    • 1 waterproof uninsulated shell/Jacket
    • 2 pairs of thermal underwear (long top and bottom)
    • 1 pair of gaiters
    • 1 leather belt (or synthetic equivalent)
    • 1 toothbrush
    • 1 pair of eyeglasses
    • 1 personal photograph

    If I am missing anything please let me know!
     
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    1) 12 x 12 Tarp - Most of the area's they put these people in are super wet
    2) 550 cord - It's a pain in the ass to make large length's of it, takes up a lot of time.
    3) sleeping bag - Maybe the most important thing on the list. It'd be a Wiggy's subzero
    4) 2 qt pot w/lid - hard, time consuming to make
    5) Ferro rod - Fire
    6) fishing line - Probably my main food getter
    7) gill net - secondary for food
    8) Snare wire - third for food
    9) Multi tool - Leatherman Wave+, 2 blades, a saw, pliers, I'd potentially modify the flat screwdriver into a cutting chisel of some kind.
    10) Axe - to cut the pike's to put the heads of my enemies on.

    Traded a big saw for the gill net. I have no skill with a bow. Gonna miss a fixed blade knife.
     
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  3. RocketmanDane

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    I’ll have to think more about the list as this is the “new” Updated list from season 7 of the show. But what I keep coming back to. I’ll add explanations later.

    1. 550 cord
    Craft, Gill net, Building, Trap component
    2.Saw
    Shelter building, Area clearing, Game processing
    3.Axe
    Crafting, Tree chopping, self defense,
    4. Pot 2 quarts
    Boil water, Cook, Improvised canteen
    5. Ferro Rod and striker :
    Because I $uck at making fire any other way..
    6.Fishing line
    1/2 of food plan
    7. Trapping wire
    1/2 of food plan
    8. Fixed blade knife
    9. Sleeping bag.
    Sleep :)
    10. *Undecided*
     
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    What knife are you taking?
     
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    I'll have to think on this tomorrow and get back to y'all.
     
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    @FAL'ER
    I am not 100%... I am having a slight “conflict” of blade profiles.. With a Ax and a Saw there is no need to a “chopper”, so a smaller under 6 inch blade is my thought.

    Big picture, I have not found a “perfect“ knife for me. I really like the feel and the abilities of the PR4 for extended use. I have put it through the paces and can say it’s a awesome knife.. But I have a hard time with the blade profile. If it was possible to to put a more scandi grind type edge on it then that would be my chose.

    2nd option would be a old fashion Mora. I have serious concerns about long term use and durability but the blade shape And profile enables me to do the small more delicate tasks that I could not do with a PR4..
     
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    sounds like you are a scandi grind fan like me. However, for the sake of debate and since this is all hypothetical, for this situation (and most survival situations), my feeling is to stay away from scandi. Once you start getting into chipped edges and need to resharpen (not just strop on your leather belt) you are likely going to end up with something leas desirable than a flat or saber grind where you have to remove much less metal. My thoughts anyway.
     
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    My 10 item list:

    1. Expat Cleaver
    2. Disposable enemas
    3. Glitter pills to make my poo sparkle
    4. Lisa Frank stickers to brighten up my shelter
    5. Gay porn
    6. More gay porn
    7. Cocaine
    8. A paperback copy of Atlas Shrugged
    9. Flesh light
    10. Wallet sized photo of Jeff Randle.
     
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    My 10 items list:
    1) 550 Paracord - 80m
    2) bivi bag (Gore-Tex sleeping bag cover)
    3) large pot (no more than 2 quarts; includes lid)
    4) flint or ferro rod set with standard-sized striker
    5) LED flashlight
    6) 8-oz tube of toothpaste
    7) 1 small-gauge gill net
    8) 2 lbs of pemmican (traditional trail food made from fat and proteins)
    9) 1 hunting knife (blade edge length no larger than 10”)
    10) 1 Leatherman multi-tool or similar
     
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    1 tarp
    2 550 paracord
    3 bivy bag
    4 large pot
    5 canteen
    6 gil net
    7 hunting knife
    8 ferro rod
    9 flour salt sugar
    10 hard tack
     
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    Hmm... You've got me rethinking parts of my list. Not so much Cocaine, but glitter is festive.
     
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    I here what your saying on the grind. I would not be 100% committed to the Scandi if I had to choose.

    The wifey and I have been watching the show together and for the scenario I don’t think we have spotted a single scandi blade ( A ESEE 4 thou! )

    What knife to bring would probably the hardest choice of any I picked..

    @BobbyRatTail
    IDK Yours Sounds more like the packing list for field survival class :)
     
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    I'd take a Cold Steel shovel, modified to have 8" of saw edge, a modified Crunch multitool, a couple of the 2 lb rations of pemmican, the 12x12 tarp, half of it being reflectorized, half of it clear material, the 2 person rope hammock, the snarewire, the duct tape, the fishing kit (as large hooks as allowed, so I could cut them in half and re-forge them). I'd want one of Chief Aj's slingbows, with mostly take down arrows, one being a Zwickey judohead blunt. I can make baked clay cookpots and clay balls for use on shots not worthy of an arrow. I can make fire with the camera battery, tape and a bit of electrical wire which would be part of my "snarewire" I can make a raised bed and use dry debris for warmth, in a double walled Kochanski tarp lean-to, down to 0F, up on a raised wooden bed,, without a fire, with a cold air pit just inside of the entrance. If by then I dont have the two inches of snow needed to make an Igloo, I can always use hot rocks under the bed, and/or a Siberian fire lay projecting its one-way heeat thru the clear vertical side of the tarp lean-to. The key is to make lots of netting and cordage out of the 2 person rope hammock and out of the 3/4 of the 2020 tarp that you dont need for anything else. The shelter should be 4x4xx7 ft, and so should the igloo. The lean to takes just 100 sq ft of materal. Out of the rest of the 1212 tarp, make a hooded poncho, leggings, breechclout, using the duct tape. Make an ice igloo to protect the meat/fish from predators, to make it 100 days. I want a 200 day, 2 million $ challenge. The man that can do that can obviously get thru subsequent winters.

    Make a pontoon outrigger raft out of unneeded clothing, the camera-case, the backpack, the life preserver, the pants of the outside shell, one set of clothing. Right before you launch, waterproof spray the spare clothing and backpack. you only get to use the raft for a month or so, then the lake freezes solid.

    Remove the handle on the shovel,, and it's a pretty good uluk knife. Season 6 winner processed a moose with just a multitool. So it can obviously be done. Regardless of how good the knife is, it can't sharpen the shovel or the saw teeth, drill the screwholes thru all of the alternate handles for the shovel, or grip a fishhook to reforge it. The Crunch can do all of those things, with ease. About the time you use the belt knife to cut in half the fishhooks, you'll have ruined it beyond what you can re-sharpen it on a rock. The wire cutter on the Crunch can handle that chore with aplomb. I dont even own a belt knife. I just dont think that they amount to much, as compared to other tools.
     
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    the hunting knife is a wasted pick when you have the multitool. So is the paracord and the net, when you can take a rope hammock and make a lot more netting and cordage out of it than you're allowed to take. Why waste a pick on a bivvy, when you can use a chunk of tarp for the same job? Take the duct tape instead, it's more versatile. They give you a headlamp, so the flashlight is a wasted pick. The canteen is a wasted pick. You can use the sleeves of your outer shell jacket as your water containers, (over 1 gallon each) By the time you need to wear the jacket, you can't keep water liquid anyway.

    The ferrrood is a wasted pick. You can bury your coals and some charcoal in ashes or dirt, and keep the fire alive for 10+ hours. So you only need to start the fire "from scratch" once and there's several easy ways to do that. The camera battery and the snare wire and tape are the easiest way. I wear dentures, so I dont have to concern myself with tooth care, but if I did, I'd use a chewed end on a green stick and charcoal, instead of wasting a pick on toothpaste.

    Fats have twice as many calories per lb as carbs. You can get a certain amount of carbs from tree cambium, but you have to shred it, boil it, toss the water, fry it in fish oil, or you can't digest it. they GIVE you a 20x20 tarp and a 10x10 ft tarp, so unless you figure on cutting up a tarp (as I do) then bringing one is a wasted pick.

    I can stone boil in a pit, lined with a chunk of tarp, lined with gravel or sand to protect the tarp from the hot rocks, until I can refine workable clay out of shoreline mud, using containers made out of tarp and tape, and make a couple of 1 gallon each cookpots, with lids and the clayballs for the slingbow. That would have to happen the first week sometime. since it can be done by fire light. That 2 qt pot is a pita. You'd need to use it 3x a day to cook and boil your drinking water.
     
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    you need at LEAST 2500 calories per day in order for a big man to lose no weight. in a cold, stressful environment. That's if you mostly hang out in your sleeping bg in your shelter. They weigh you once a week, when they give you your medical checkup. If you only catch 200,000 calories, you're going to lose 30 lbs in 100 days. Many have lost twice that much, and some have lost 70+ lbs, and done so in 60 days. A lb of your body weight, while you still have body fat, is 3000 calories. Later, you'll lose 1.5 lbs per day, as your body consumes muscle and bits of your organ tissues. Pemmican offers the most food goodies per lb. The rations are 2 lbs each, so my two rations of it offer 10,000 calories, enough for 5 days, while losing half a lb per day. You dont need any food the first 2 days, or the last 1-2 days , so I'm good for a week of hard work, which should suffice to get many gillnets in the water, some snares set, the 48 trotline hooks in the water, baited. dozens of rabbit snares set. Cause I dont need a fire for warmth and I only need one hour to make the single thickness tarp shelter. I can add the second layer and the debris between the layers, later and do so in one hour. Another hour will suffice to dig the cold air sinkhole.

    Fish and game offer very little calories. They have little fat, other than porcupines, beaver, maybe a FEMALE musk ox. The lean meat and fish average being worth 650 calories per lb. ( ready to eat) Rabbits are just 500 calories per lb. Only a bit over half of an animal or fish's live weight is edible flesh. So figure 350 calories per live weight lb. Google will tell you the average weight of any species

    So, in order to last 100 days, you have to either catch 500 lbs of fish, maybe 100 lbs of that thru the ice some waterfowl , small game, and a few predators with the baited treblehooks, or you have to score a big animal with the baited vertical junglewhips, or get lucky with an arrow.

    The lake freezes up by day 40-50, depending upon how shallow it is where you are set up. It takes a couple of weeks to make all of the netting, and the pontoon raft, but you'll be catching some fish after the first week. So, you've got about a month to catch 400 lbs of fish while the lake is still open water. You can make over 1000 sq ft of 1.5" mesh out of the tarp and the hammock. With a couple of baited net weirs, using the seine and a baited shoreline and baited chum lines going out into the lake 100m, a bait bag every 5m, and setting the seine as a giant baited net weir at night, averaging catching 15 lbs of fish per day is a piece of cake. The nets can be used as gillnets thru the ice, both 3" mesh and 1.5" mesh, if you know what you're doing.

    The winner of season 3, fowler, 87 days and the woodedbeardsman, and gregovensoutdoors are all good channels about trying to forage wild foods, enough to maintain their weight. They've never manaaged to do so, not even close, cause gillnetting is illegal in the US and Canada. The show gets special 'subsistence permits' like the Native Americans get, which lets them take any animal, fish or bird, at any time, in any way, "as needed for food".

    I forgot to add the 3 lb block of salt to my list, so I can't take the second ration of pemmican, darn it! That's going to make that first week a lean time.
     
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    the 10 item limit on your gear, the 100 day requirement and having to video yourself at least 8 hours per day, are horrific restrictions. So you can't take anything that you can do without or make a substitute for in the field. The axe, saw, belt knife, canteen, ferrrod, cookpot, paracord, gillnet, sleeping bag are not needed, You can't rig a replacement for the salt, the snarewire, the fishing hooks, or the slingbow. But you can take the cold steel shovel with 8" of saw edge, the modified crunch multitool, the rope hammock, the 12x12 tarp, My ration of pemmican can be done without, perhaps, painfully, and you could do without the hammock, if you settle for making a LOT less cordage/netting out of the 20x20 tarp. You're not allowed to cut up the 10x10 tarp.
     

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