We just got notice from ZT and expect to have these in hand very soon! These are up for pre order and will ship as soon as they arrive either later this week or at the latest Monday 04/03/2017. This is for the new ZT0850 and ZT0460. Order now at: http://www.usamadeblade.com/Zero-Tolerance_c2.htm Thank you as always for looking! Scott (Whitty) Whittington scott@usamadeblade.com