Knots

Discussion in 'Survival and Wilderness Skills' started by Slade, May 5, 2017.

  1. Strigidae

    Strigidae Moderator Staff Member

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    Interesting work!
     
  2. Jeff Randall

    Jeff Randall ESEE Knives / Randall's Adventure & Training Staff Member

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    Yes, I wanted to know why a larger rope of one type was faster on rappel than a much smaller rope of another type, so I worked out the coefficient chart then started testing various cordages on different materials and logging them into a spreadsheet....and found my answer :)
     
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    That’s an awesome level of attention to detail
     
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    Jeff Randall ESEE Knives / Randall's Adventure & Training Staff Member

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    Not really. When you rig a 9mm rope through a device and rappel on it, then rig a 5.9mm rope through the same device and rappel on it, then realize the 5.9mm is a much slower rate of decent than the 5.9mm on the exact same device, it makes you find out why.
     
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  5. Jeff Randall

    Jeff Randall ESEE Knives / Randall's Adventure & Training Staff Member

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    So, here's the break down for anyone interested:

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    I dunno many people that would take the time to chart it out though. Even how you get into the calculations and mathematics of everything is impressive. Honestly I love the ESEE knives and thought taking a course with you guys would be fun. After joining the forum I’ve been blown away and have been challenging myself to go to the next level because of you guys. It’s a well deserved compliment...
     
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    Jeff Randall ESEE Knives / Randall's Adventure & Training Staff Member

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    And this is testing on sandstone.

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    Jeff Randall ESEE Knives / Randall's Adventure & Training Staff Member

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    All skills are the same, whether they are rope skills, survival skills, navigation skills, driving a car, baling hay, etc. Simply being able to reproduce a skill is worthless in the real world since all skills have variables. Understanding why something works allows you greater ability to reproduce that skill under a range of variables. That's why Patrick constantly increases the difficulty of a survival skill in his own practice. Once he can build a fire with friction, then he will work to build a fire with friction in a wet environment, different materials, etc. Many times it doesn't work but the not working is more valuable knowledge than the successes.
     
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  9. Strigidae

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    THIS.
     
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    I agree completely failure is the best teacher and it’s all our ancestors had. This is why I love this forum!
     
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    My world opened up when i learned the truckers hitch. Made putting up my tarp so much easier. Knots are awesome.
     
  12. BlueDogScout

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    That is my favorite knot for a ridge line
     
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    Agreed. It's an essential knot (or technically, "hitch") to know. If for some reason I could only have 3 knots/hitches in my toolbox, they would be:

    Trucker's Hitch
    Clove Hitch
    Bowline
     
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    Interesting, I agree with bowline and truckers hitch. Curious what you use a clove hitch for though?
     
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    Great for lashing. I use it a lot for securing shelter poles and then tension them to the anchor with a trucker's.
     
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    Starting and finishing any of the various lashings.
     
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    Makes sense.
     
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  18. shaneadams90

    shaneadams90 ESEE Knives Marketing Director Staff Member

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    One thing is for sure and that is that knot-tying is as perishable a skill as shooting or anything else...I've been brushing up on several of these in anticipation of our SRT Class next week.

    I've tied kayaks on vehicles for 20+ years using a truckers hitch...an extremely useful, easy to tie, and easy to break knot. Of course it is finished with a few hitches as well but it's never let me down.
     
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    Im pretty new to knot tying and this thread has been a great place for me to start learning much of what I forgot over the years. I was wondering if anyone might be able to identify this knot?
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    Is that a snell knot for fishing?
     

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