Repeater

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  1. Jeff Randall

    Jeff Randall ESEE Knives / Randall's Adventure & Training Staff Member

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    With the constant endeavor of making something lighter and more portable, I’ve been testing a 9AH battery box that I built for the portable repeater, as well as a new J-Pole tuned antenna from Ed Fong. So far, the power requirements seem to be fine with this lighter weight battery even with heavier than usual traffic on the repeater. Antenna hasn’t been fully tested but from what I’ve researched and been hearing, the J-Pole works exceptionally well strung up in a tree. Complete system is now 15 pounds and contained in two Pelican cases that will easily fit in a single backpack. The J-Pole rolls up and fits in the repeater box. Battery box is made to be field charged using a folding solar panel (not shown) if needed for extended operations. We plan on testing this system soon with the Lawrence County Multi-Agency SAR team.

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    Sweet!!! Even lighter than V1.0!
     
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    Jeff Randall ESEE Knives / Randall's Adventure & Training Staff Member

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    If I could find some old school popcorn cans and a good string I think we can get the comms package even lighter
     
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    That's cool, I have a baofang hand held radio, but I need to find someone local to help me learn. I had friend right up the street that I know was into ham but he has moved to Florida. Hmm I need to check with my neighbor I remember him having a tower in his yard when I was a kid. A friend of mine's dad had a big radio setup in his shop up the street, but he died about 12 years ago when he crashed his crop duster.
     
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    There's all kinds of things on Facebook and Reddit for amateur radio. But, if you can find a local club, it can be a great experience. Lots of different personalities, so don't let a single grumpy old guy ruin it for you.

    SurvivalTech Nord on YouTube does a lot with DIY portable power and amateur radio.

    Looking forward to hearing how the J-pole works in S&R terrain.
     
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    ....I have maybe five or six UV5Rs. Great little radios !! I am out bush now and there is one attached to my pack and one on the table in the hit. Running them on UHF for coms here but they are also ham programmed.
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    Jeff Randall ESEE Knives / Randall's Adventure & Training Staff Member

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    I don't know a lot about amateur radio but I am that one old grumpy man you speak of.
     
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    I am that grumpy old man before coffee (which should be strong as death, black as night, and able to defeat a plate of bacon & eggs).
     
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    Im stealing that.
     
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    Ed Fong has mastered the J pole. Nice setup you’ve got! I’ve been using a Signal Stuff antenna. They are the most durable I’ve found.
     
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    What sort of radios and controller are you using in your pelican case setup? I’m liking the idea of that J-pole antenna, let us know how it’s been working for you.

    I’m currently in the process of building a VHF repeater for work using two Kenwood TK-7302H mobile 50watt radios connected with a crossover cable, a Comprod six cavity duplexer, and a Tram-Browning half-wave antenna, it will all be mounted in an ammo box with a Morningstar solar controller, this will compliment the ten TK-2402 handhelds and TK-7302H base we use on the survey crew and greatly extend our working range. I’ve also just ordered a fancy field programmable 50watt Kenwood NX-5700 for the truck, it’s a combo analog and digital unit that will allow me to have all my analog work frequencies in the same radio as my SAR team encrypted SAR/EMS DMR frequencies.
     
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    After a fair bit of messing around with the programming this week, and building a DB15 crossover cable , I was able to successfully bench test the repeater system, so today I mounted it in the ammo box for a test in the field later this week!

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    That's awesome. What are your plans to power it in the field?
     
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    Excellent!!!!
     
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    I’ve got a bunch of 35aH and 48aH AGM gel cells in Husky tool bags that I use for other survey equipment. I’ll use one of these, they connect to the ammo box with standard two pole SAE connectors, and I have a solar input receptacle on the outside of the box as well, connected to the solar controller. The controller distributes power from the battery to the radios and also charges the battery while connected to the panel.

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    Have you had a chance to test your system? I’m curious about your repeater controller, and how that LiFePO4 battery has been performing. I’m thinking about upgrading some of my 7aH batteries to LiFePO4.
     
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    The 9AH LiFePO4 will easily run our system 16 hours + with 15 minutes of traffic each hour (which is a lot of traffic). You will need to buy a solar controller for these batteries if you decide to do that since they charge at different rates than AGMs. Weight on the LiFePO batteries are way, way under the AGMs though so it saves you a lot of work toting them in

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    Here are the battery boxes I built with the 9AH LiFePO4 battery. 4 pounds total.
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    Tried the repeater out in the field the past two months with great success, the only issue being the solar setup, the 2x20W solar panels were undersized, I was forced to replace the battery with a charged one every 2-3 days (next time I’ll use a 100W panel). This is more likely due to the fact that I live in one of the least sunny places in the world .

    As a repeater, the radio side of it worked great and about 1/4 the cost of a commercial setup.

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    Man, that is awesome. Haven't had the chance to use our for an extended op, just around the farm on classes but it's working great. We have had the state helicopter flying almost every mission with us, so we have a good radio relay in the sky.

    You using LiFePo4 batteries? If not, I highly suggest them. Way, way better than AGMs for stuff like this.
     
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