Friction Fire

Discussion in 'Survival and Wilderness Skills' started by R Stowe, Oct 25, 2016.

  1. Mudman

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    @Bushman5 tried cotton again today, no dice.
    The coal in the photo is from an earlier standard attempt. The cotton one kept falling apart on me. 20180418_160723.jpg
     
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    hmmm.....can you try (at your convenience) without the notch?

    i should be mobile this weekend, going to try as well
     
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    Alright, I'll try that tomorrow hopefully.
     
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    There is a method to my madness Mudman.....you'll see..... :) I have an idea for a small project
     
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    Forgot about the cotton again lol. But I did knock out two.

    Oh buckeye on western red cedar
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    Yucca on western red cedar
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    I've really gotta start doing this during daylight hours so I can take better pics.

    Big Leaf Maple on Big Leaf Maple using the ESEE Firesteel. It gets hot, so a heavy leather glove (or a thick piece of bark between the steel and your palm) is needed, but aside from that it's a solid bearing block.

    Didn't prepare a tinder bundle, but decided I wanted to blow the coal to life, so I grabbed a page from an old news paper.

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    Pretty picture has been captured.

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    Hand drill today. Seep willow on cottonwood root. IMG_3257.JPG IMG_3267.JPG IMG_3274.JPG
     
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    @Caleb O I see your one of those crazies, that likes to wear sandals outside. lol

    Nice job!
     
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    Haha! Yeah, I'm one of those nutters. Probably shouldn't tell you I do most of my bush walking in the desert. lol If I'm in a new area (scouting) I'll go with something closed toe. I know this area really well though, and I was in and out of water.

    But thanks! Addicted to hand drill!
     
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    That's a magazine worthy pic man!
     
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    Cool photos, all.

    Here’s a couple of my recent hand drill embers:

    Goldenrod on arborvitae:

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    Goldenrod on eastern red cedar:

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    I like seeing the sparks! Very cool!
     
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    Appealing to all hand drill experts!

    I've sourced a chunk of dried Yucca stalk about 1/2" to 5/8" diameter, and about 8" long, but it's got a slight curve.

    What would be the best way of going about this? I notice that @Mudman appears to use a separate piece to act like a drill chuck of sorts. Is that Bamboo, or just wood that's been drilled out? I've got a little bit of Bamboo I could harvest, if the former is the case.

    Just don't want to waste what little Yucca I have at the moment.
     
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    The technique you are talking about is using what is called a “host spindle” with the actual part doing the friction inserted as a bit. It works well as long as you get a good fit of the bit in the host spindle so there’s no slipping. The big plus, like you mentioned, is not needing to find a straight 16” spindle every time. I have a host spindle made from milkweed that I really like.
     
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    Awesome, thanks for the info! Guess I'll go see if I can find a good host spindle.
     
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    Using a setup like mine would be the perfect option, for crooked pieces of material. It was first brought to my attention by @jcl.md and later a different version, by James Gibson.

    The idea is, you have a host spindle as straight as possible. You can use dowel rods from a hobby store. Something like red oak, polar (weak), walnut, etc. Pick a size you like, I use 3/8. Cut it to a length of your preference, round one corner over.

    Then on the other end, get a piece of bamboo, drill it out to accept the 3/8'' or whatever size your host spindle is. Glue it in, then lash/whip it. On the opposite end of the bamboo, drill a similar size hole or whatever your main spindle will be. Lash it maybe a little over 1/4'' back from the end, then split the bamboo 4 ways. This allows it to expand a little, the lashing is there to prevent further splitting. Your main piece that will go into the socket now created in the bamboo, should be tapered imo, so it has a snug fit.

    After that, you can pretty much use anything you want, with the benefit of not needing a longer piece/straight spindle.
    Again, this is not my invention, but something learned from both jcl.md and James Gibson.

    Using ash on the host spindle helps with grip, or a coating of beeswax. Something I'm currently testing out, is torching the host spindle.
     
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    Bloody awesome, thank you!

    I'll make sure I post my hand drill progress, success or fail.

    Do you figure Red Cedar would be alright for a hearth with Yucca?
     
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    Eastern red cedar works great out here. You probably have western red cedar, which I hear works equally well. With the eastern variety, avoiding the oilier heartwood is a good idea. Not sure if that is an issue with the western cedar as well.
     

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